Since my surgery in May, I have been in the social security system to receive income support and as part of that deal, I am required to apply for 20 jobs every month.
A huge number of the applications I make ask questions like:
Do you identify as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander?
Do you consider yourself to have a disability? or Do you have any physical or psychological condition that may impact your ability to fulfil the requirements of the position?
Less often there is something like
Do you identify as male/ female/ other?
and once there was a question about sexuality. I can't remember the wording but I refused to answer.
I can only assume that HR departments are trying to tick diversity boxes when they ask these questions but I find them incredibly offensive. These questions are not appropriate at the time of an initial application and could be be used to discriminate against candidates.
Gender identity/ sexual preference/ trans status are surely things that a person will disclose if and when they feel safe to do so.
Disability questions asked under the guise of making suitable adjustments could be asked on the phone prior to interview.
I don't know if indigenous people have preferences about when or how to disclose that part of their identity but again, I don't think it is a question that should be asked on initial application.
I can also say that some organisations ask their questions more carefully and sensitively than others, with more attention to the language used.
I don't trust hiring managers to use these kinds of information in the right way and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I really think there are better ways to capture this kind of information but feel free to educate me if there is some genuine reason these questions need to be asked before anyone even decides to meet me.
It sounds extraordinarily intrusive Kylie. How very dare they. It should have no relevance at all. And to my mind smacks of othering and prejudice.
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Don't organizations have to meet diversity hiring quotas nowadays? (which I tend to view as reverse discrimination, but feel free to educate me, too)
ReplyDeleteI would be offended and upset if I had these question presented to me as part of a job application. In 1968, I applied for a job at Sears. One question--what was the date of my last period. I skipped that question. A woman brought it back to me and asked me to answer that question. I did, but I felt they had no reason to know!
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely no arguments from me. It is intrusive. And insensitive. It strikes me as box ticking rather than a genuine effort towards inclusion. The question asked of PP above is offensive. I can think of no job where that information is of any relevance.
ReplyDeleteThe question that baffles me is Do you identify as male/ female/ other? There is no other. We're all biologically either male or female. The only possible Other is this absurd concept of Gender Identity. Gender can only mean masculine or feminine behaviour and as we're all a mixture of both what on earth does gender identity mean?
ReplyDeleteAs people are saying, it's all just a diversity box-ticking exercise.
Apply for 20 jobs a month seems insane. You re either fit or not fit. If your fit you go after the jobs.
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ReplyDeleteOthering is exactly what it sounds like!
Jenny-o,
I'm really not sure if diversity quotas are enshrined in law or if they are just something that is encouraged. Research shows that we tend to unconsciously favour people who are like us. I believe diversity quotas help to get people thinking more carefully. If diversity doesn't occur naturally, it is smart to build it in to the structure.
PP,
That's an insanely intrusive question, designed to tell them if you happened to be pregnant only dates are not an equivocal answer, are they?
EC,
I often answer that these questions would be better discussed (if neccessary at all) in interview. It probably doesn't help my cause.
Nick,
With this one, I think I have misquoted the way the question was asked but however it was said, it's just not something they need to know. It's not the time for capturing diversity information and it doesn't engender trust. Most of these questions are from NFPs, too.
Red,
20 jobs a month is part of our punitive social security system, which pays the same now as it did when i left school in 1988. 20 applications/ month are burdensome to employers who have to sort through many applications from people who are just doing what is required. If I don't think I am suited to the position I make a minimal effort application so nobody wastes too much time on it (including me)
I knew they wanted to know if I was pregnant. But, what would it matter. I only applied for a Christmas job.
ReplyDeleteYes, completely irrelevant to a Christmas job and a super rude question. I was mostly trying to point out that it was an unintelligent way to ask
ReplyDeleteThis is the first time ever that I have come across any such questionnaire. I think that this deserves to be taken up with the UN Human Rights Commission.
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ReplyDeleteThank you for that, I had considered taking it up with the companies as I came across them again. UNHRC didn't occur to me!
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